Liberty is an inherently offensive lifestyle. Living in a free society guarantees that each one of us will see our most cherished principles and beliefs questioned and in some cases mocked. That psychic discomfort is the price we pay for basic civic peace. It's worth it. It's a pragmatic principle. Defend everyone else's rights, because if you don't there is no one to defend yours. -- MaxedOutMama

I don't just want gun rights... I want individual liberty, a culture of self-reliance....I want the whole bloody thing. -- Kim du Toit

The most glaring example of the cognitive dissonance on the left is the concept that human beings are inherently good, yet at the same time cannot be trusted with any kind of weapon, unless the magic fairy dust of government authority gets sprinkled upon them.-- Moshe Ben-David

The cult of the left believes that it is engaged in a great apocalyptic battle with corporations and industrialists for the ownership of the unthinking masses. Its acolytes see themselves as the individuals who have been "liberated" to think for themselves. They make choices. You however are just a member of the unthinking masses. You are not really a person, but only respond to the agendas of your corporate overlords. If you eat too much, it's because corporations make you eat. If you kill, it's because corporations encourage you to buy guns. You are not an individual. You are a social problem. -- Sultan Knish

All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war. -- Billy Beck

Thursday, October 02, 2003

We Don't Sit at Separate Lunch Counters (Yet) but Google Doesn't Want to Associate With Us

I belong to the Tucson Rifle Club. In fact, I'm a Board Member (Pistol Director) and a Match Director (IHMSA), so I get all the mailings from the Board members. It was brought to the attention of one of our members that Google, the internet search giant, wouldn't accept advertising from gun-related businesses or organizations. So he thought he'd see what they'd do with one from a public shooting range. Here's the unedited transcript of the e-mail exchange, TRC's in blue, Google's in red. The site webmaster attempted to enroll the TRC in the Google AdSense service. The exchange begins with Google's rejection notice:
At 09:20 AM 9/29/2003, Google AdSense Support wrote:
Hello Tucson Rifle Club,

Thank you for your interest in Google AdSense. After reviewing your
application, our program specialists have found that the website
currently associated with your account does not comply with our
policies. Therefore, we're unable to accept you into Google AdSense at
this time.

We did not approve your application for the reasons listed below. If
you are able to resolve these issues, please feel free to reply to this
email for reconsideration when you have made the changes.


- Unacceptable site content


Further detail:

Unacceptable site content: Your website contains content that we do
not allow at this time. Please review our policies
( for a complete list of site
content not allowed on web pages.


For a complete list of AdSense criteria, please visit:

If you would like to submit another website for consideration, simply
reply to this email and provide us with the URL. If this new website
complies with our program policies, we will help you start delivering
AdWords ads in minutes.

Please contact us at if you have any


The Google Team
To which our webmaster replied:
From: John Luiten
Subject: Re: Google AdSense Account Status
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:09:38 -0700

I have reviewed your policies page once again and find nothing stated
therein that pertains to our website, "". Our
organization is a State sanctioned body (Arizona Department of Game & Fish)
that provides shooting range facilities to thousands of residents in the
Southern Arizona region. We have been doing so since 1895.

We also provide significant support to the local law enforcement community as well.

Would you please be specific as to which of the following of your posted
site content rules you consider our site in violation of:

"Site may not include:

Excessive profanity
Hate, violence, racial intolerance, or advocate against any individual,
group, or organization
Hacking/cracking content
Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia
Pornography, adult, or mature content
Gambling or casino-related content
Excessive advertising
Pop-ups that interfere with site navigation or are for downloads"


--John Luiten, Webmaster
Tucson Rifle Club
And Google promptly responded:
At 05:59 PM 9/29/2003, Google AdSense wrote:
Hello John,

Thank you for your interest in Google AdSense. Our program specialists
review all websites for a variety of criteria. These include, but are not
limited to, site content, clear navigation, and the site's potential value
to the AdSense program and the user experience.

During our review of your site, we have found content that strictly deals
with firearms and ammunition
and many of the ads that would appear on your
site would not be relevant to your site's content. As the ads would not
provide a valuable experience for your site's users or our advertisers, we
feel that your site isn't a good fit for the AdSense program at this time.

Please feel free to reply to this email with any further questions. If you
manage or own another site on which you'd like to display AdWords ads, you
may reply to this email and include the URL in the message. We will then
reconsider your application. If the new site complies with our program
policies and is a fit for the AdSense program, we'll approve your
application and allow you to run ads on that specific site.

Thank you for your understanding.


The Google Team
(My emphasis) Dr. Luiten, not being one to take idiocy laying down, responded:
09/30/2003 11:05AM
Subject: Re: Google AdSense Account Status

Thank you for your prompt response. I am beginning to understand your
decision making process a bit better.

As I view the process, you would seem to have two sets of rejection
criteria: one published and one internal. In this case, your internal
rejection criteria is for sites dealing in "firearms and ammunition", or
perhaps better stated, "firearms" since there is no reference to
"ammunition" that I can find on our site pages.

You further state that, "many of the ads that would appear on your site
would not be relevant to your site's content." What has this to with
advertising to potential customers? We are not looking to your service to
augment the firearm related content of our site, but as a service to our

There are over 80 million firearm owners in the United States of America.
Firearm owners live in every state and community in this nation. We drive
cars, shop in grocery stores, eat at restaurants. You have no advertisers
currently subscribed in these areas?

Like it or not, we are your neighbors.

But perhaps you are looking for an advertising edge. A specificity in your
subscriber base to promote to potential advertisers? Then you are allowing
you biases to deprive yourself of an excellent marketing
opportunity. Tucson Rifle Club members compose a disproportionate share of

Southern Arizona's campers, hikers, hunters, and outdoorsmen of all
types. Surely large companies specializing in sporting goods and clothing
(e.g., Cabela's, LL Bean, Eddie Bauer) would look favorably upon reaching
such an audience?

What first led me to your AdSense service was an advertising strip of yours
on a car hobbyist website. Although several of the ad's you listed there
referred to the specific model car this site promotes, many did
not. Indeed, they advertised "brake Jobs", "mufflers", "oil filters" and
the like. We may be located in the West, but I can assure you, we stopped
riding horses to the range some time ago. Are ad's for car accessories,
especially those pertaining to OHV's, also not relevant to our site

I ask you to reconsider your prohibition against "firearm" related websites
(and I assume advertisers) in light of what it is, simple prejudice. Your
policy is short-sighted, exclusionary, and when it becomes known to the
general public will prove ultimately detrimental to your business goals.


--John Luiten, Webmaster
Tucson Rifle Club
As of yet there has been no further response from Google, but if there is, rest assured I'll keep you informed.

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